John ponders how many pics of his kid is too many and vigorously defends coconut. Meanwhile, Jonnie reveals what all rock band photos have in common and finds out the terrible original name for the Girl Scouts.

Plus, a conversation about The Sermon on the Mount and why it’s needed now more than ever.

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John tells us about his short-lived career as a rapper and ponders how much protection his book would offer against a would be assassin. Meanwhile, Jonnie changes his rock band’s name way too many times and tries in vain to stop a rodent infestation.

Plus, a conversation about how God shapes us through pain and disappointment, and why that’s actually a good thing.

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John reads a listener email and wishes we could be a zany Morning Zoo Radio Show. Meanwhile, Jonnie has an important retraction from last week (because he is stupid) and tells us about some wild wedding proposals on Leap Day in 13th Century Scotland.

Plus, a conversation about neighbors, enemies, and America’s addiction to grievance.

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John cleans out his office and gets mad at his younger self while listening to some old tapes. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us the history of the windshield wiper and the story of a man whose own hanging could not stop him from roasting the grammar of his captors.

Plus, a conversation about certainty and humility—and why a clear path may not always be the best one.

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John does some retail therapy and ponders a bold new way to reduce his screen time. Meanwhile, Jonnie hits the road with way too much luggage and tells the strange history of the Patron Saint of Toothaches.

Plus, a conversation about vulnerability and why a life without humility is so dangerous.

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“You do not need to know precisely what is happening or exactly where it is all going. What you need is to recognize the possibilities and challenges offered by the present moment and to embrace them with courage, faith, and hope.” – Thomas Merton. In this episode, we have a conversation about the “pursuit of happiness” and why adapting to challenges is a far better goal. 

Plus, John gets a 4-year college scholarship using only a roll of tape and ponders becoming a plumber. Meanwhile, Jonnie changes his mind about seatbelt laws and celebrates the 21st anniversary of the best/worst invention of our lifetime.

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John does his best cat impression for some voiceover work and helps explain when an outfit becomes a getup. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders whether he could defeat John in an armored battle and why so many political fights in history ended with someone being beaten with a cane.

Plus, a conversation about information overload in the age of the internet and whether knowing too much is killing our brains.

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“Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life, and you will call it fate.” – Carl Jung. Self-awareness is a double-edged sword. Too much of it and you can become an introspective navel gazer. But at the same time, as John Calvin said, “without knowledge of self, there is no knowledge of God.” In this episode, John and Jonnie talk about what healthy self-awareness looks like versus unhealthy navel-gazing. While we aren’t able to control everything that happens to us, we are given some agency in some aspects of life – and good therapy and healthy self-awareness can help us see the difference. And this isn’t just humanism – understanding yourself is part of understanding the gospel. 

Plus, John gets a fancy new watch and helps Jonnie confront a scammer on the phone. Meanwhile, Jonnie writes a new jingle for a prescription drug and takes credit for a friend’s Grammy nomination.

John mentions: More Than Your Number: A Christ-Centered Enneagram Approach to Becoming AWARE of Your Internal World 

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John comes in second place A LOT and tries his best to look menacing on his way to Walgreens. Meanwhile, Jonnie eats way too many caramels and learns that the most highly ranked restaurants are also selling car parts.

Plus, a conversation about the trap of comparison and how to enjoy the one life you’ve been given.

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“He who fears he shall suffer, already suffers what he fears.” – Michel de Montaigne. This guy said that in the 1500s… so anxiety has been around for a while. In this episode of Talk About That, we talk about fear and worry – is there a way to get better at worry? Can we worry less in 2025? Is that a resolution we can keep? Listen in to our conversation about gratitude and actively looking for the good in the world as an antidote for anxiety. 

Plus, John thinks he worries better than you do and finds a magical hat in the strangest place. Meanwhile, Jonnie has an idea to bring folks back to the movie theatre, and tells us how the US almost got a pinstriped flag. 

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