John tells us about his short-lived career as a rapper and ponders how much protection his book would offer against a would be assassin. Meanwhile, Jonnie changes his rock band’s name way too many times and tries in vain to stop a rodent infestation.

Plus, a conversation about how God shapes us through pain and disappointment, and why that’s actually a good thing.

Today’s episode is NOT sponsored by Buc-ees: “You stopped here to use the restroom, and then you spent $58 on snacks.”

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