John has a late night thanks to T-swift and some T-storms, and reveals how long he needs to know someone before going in for a hug. Meanwhile, Jonnie explains why there’s a phone booth on top of the courthouse in Lincoln, Illinois and spends a LOT of money on his dog’s knees.
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Plus, a conversation about cynicism and hopefulness, and why it’s always more courageous to believe the best about people.
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