Today on Talk About That, Jonnie argues against dark chocolate 🍫 and “important” speeches at rock concerts 🙄.

Meanwhile, John explains what makes an Apostle, and the boys chat about their Pentecostal upbringing. 

Plus, a conversation about creativity, fame, and the tendency to make ourselves the hero of our own stories. 

Today’s episode is NOT sponsored by Fireworks 🎆®️: “This 4th of July, celebrate your freedom by lighting explosives made in China🇨🇳!”